Question On Ashdown Hills Theory On Edward V
Question On Ashdown Hills Theory On Edward V
Hello, if anyone could help me with this matter I would appreciate it as I have searched for sources but found none, not on line anyhow and only veiled references in the books so far.
On the documentary inappropriately shown on Sunday 22nd, the evening of the procession and complan for Richard III on Channel 4 Dr John Ashdown Hill said something very interesting which has driven me to looking up sources but finding none, and searching books and finding little ever since. He pointed out that Edward may have died of disease, which of course he could have done as Dr Argentine was attending him regularly and gives us a touching description of little Edward being distressed and fearing he would die soon. He may have developed a severe form of depression. Perhaps he was severely ill that he was indeed close to death, but we are given no further information. The next thing is the boys vanish.
Dr Ashdown Hill said that Edward V may have had some form of bone cancer and that it was known that he had the begginning of this or that at least we know this now. I could not find anything that would point me to a source that supports this theory. Can anyone suggest a medical report or article or even a source that supports Edward V having some form of bone disease or cancer? Is there any recent research or expertise that supports this theory? Are there any journals that support this or historical sources that support what he was referring to? I am very interested in ancient pathology but also would love to know for my own peace of mind. I can then sleep.
Thanks in advance and Happy Easter.
Lyn-Marie Banditqueen Poolandeva.
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They did manage to identify the bones as being those of two children and one of the skeletons had chronic inflammation of the bones of the jaw.
The actual disease which caused this is a matter of conjecture, as is whether the bones belonged to the princes at all.
Annette Carson covers this subject thoroughly in her book Richard III
The Maligned King, chapter Bones of Contention from page 206.
I do hope this will be interesting to you.
Jess
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Hello, if anyone could help me with this matter I would appreciate it as I have searched for sources but found none, not on line anyhow and only veiled references in the books so far.
On the documentary inappropriately shown on Sunday 22nd, the evening of the procession and complan for Richard III on Channel 4 Dr John Ashdown Hill said something very interesting which has driven me to looking up sources but finding none, and searching books and finding little ever since. He pointed out that Edward may have died of disease, which of course he could have done as Dr Argentine was attending him regularly and gives us a touching description of little Edward being distressed and fearing he would die soon. He may have developed a severe form of depression. Perhaps he was severely ill that he was indeed close to death, but we are given no further information. The next thing is the boys vanish.
Dr Ashdown Hill said that Edward V may have had some form of bone cancer and that it was known that he had the begginning of this or that at least we know this now. I could not find anything that would point me to a source that supports this theory. Can anyone suggest a medical report or article or even a source that supports Edward V having some form of bone disease or cancer? Is there any recent research or expertise that supports this theory? Are there any journals that support this or historical sources that support what he was referring to? I am very interested in ancient pathology but also would love to know for my own peace of mind. I can then sleep.
Thanks in advance and Happy Easter.
Lyn-Marie Banditqueen Poolandeva.
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Paul
On 03/04/2015 10:33, Janjovian janjovian@... [] wrote:
I suspect that John's reference can probably be traced to the examination of the bones in the urn in Westminster Abbey in 1934 by Tanner and Wright, aided by a dental specialist Dr George Northcroft.
They did manage to identify the bones as being those of two children and one of the skeletons had chronic inflammation of the bones of the jaw.
The actual disease which caused this is a matter of conjecture, as is whether the bones belonged to the princes at all.
Annette Carson covers this subject thoroughly in her book Richard III
The Maligned King, chapter Bones of Contention from page 206.
I do hope this will be interesting to you.
Jess
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Hello, if anyone could help me with this matter I would appreciate it as I have searched for sources but found none, not on line anyhow and only veiled references in the books so far.
On the documentary inappropriately shown on Sunday 22nd, the evening of the procession and complan for Richard III on Channel 4 Dr John Ashdown Hill said something very interesting which has driven me to looking up sources but finding none, and searching books and finding little ever since. He pointed out that Edward may have died of disease, which of course he could have done as Dr Argentine was attending him regularly and gives us a touching description of little Edward being distressed and fearing he would die soon. He may have developed a severe form of depression. Perhaps he was severely ill that he was indeed close to death, but we are given no further information. The next thing is the boys vanish.
Dr Ashdown Hill said that Edward V may have had some form of bone cancer and that it was known that he had the begginning of this or that at least we know this now. I could not find anything that would point me to a source that supports this theory. Can anyone suggest a medical report or article or even a source that supports Edward V having some form of bone disease or cancer? Is there any recent research or expertise that supports this theory? Are there any journals that support this or historical sources that support what he was referring to? I am very interested in ancient pathology but also would love to know for my own peace of mind. I can then sleep.
Thanks in advance and Happy Easter.
Lyn-Marie Banditqueen Poolandeva.
Re: Question On Ashdown Hills Theory On Edward V
Quite!
Jess
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Really good job they did, eh? Could have been girls as they didn't
sex the remains; could have been Roman as they didn't carbon date
them etc
Paul
I suspect that John's reference can probably be traced to the examination of the bones in the urn in Westminster Abbey in 1934 by Tanner and Wright, aided by a dental specialist Dr George Northcroft.
They did manage to identify the bones as being those of two children and one of the skeletons had chronic inflammation of the bones of the jaw.
The actual disease which caused this is a matter of conjecture, as is whether the bones belonged to the princes at all.
Annette Carson covers this subject thoroughly in her book Richard III
The Maligned King, chapter Bones of Contention from page 206.
I do hope this will be interesting to you.
Jess
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Sent: 03/04/2015 07:11
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Subject: [Richard III Society Forum] Question On Ashdown Hills Theory On Edward V
Hello, if anyone could help me with this matter I would appreciate it as I have searched for sources but found none, not on line anyhow and only veiled references in the books so far.
On the documentary inappropriately shown on Sunday 22nd, the evening of the procession and complan for Richard III on Channel 4 Dr John Ashdown Hill said something very interesting which has driven me to looking up sources but finding none, and searching books and finding little ever since. He pointed out that Edward may have died of disease, which of course he could have done as Dr Argentine was attending him regularly and gives us a touching description of little Edward being distressed and fearing he would die soon. He may have developed a severe form of depression. Perhaps he was severely ill that he was indeed close to death, but we are given no further information. The next thing is the boys vanish.
Dr Ashdown Hill said that Edward V may have had some form of bone cancer and that it was known that he had the begginning of this or that at least we know this now. I could not find anything that would point me to a source that supports this theory. Can anyone suggest a medical report or article or even a source that supports Edward V having some form of bone disease or cancer? Is there any recent research or expertise that supports this theory? Are there any journals that support this or historical sources that support what he was referring to? I am very interested in ancient pathology but also would love to know for my own peace of mind. I can then sleep.
Thanks in advance and Happy Easter.
Lyn-Marie Banditqueen Poolandeva.
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possibly suffered from a bone disease.
Eva
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It does seem rather illogical, doesn't it, given that if Edward V had died of natural causes he would not have been buried with his brother under the Tower? But he wouldn't be the first to make that mistake. I can think of one very well known novel (was it We Speak No Treason?) in which the Princes are spirited abroad, Edward moaning about his jaw all the way.
Marie
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Paul
On 03/04/2015 22:10, eva.pitter@... [] wrote:
I just can't believe that John Ashdown Hill seriously takes the bones in the urn as evidence that Edward
possibly suffered from a bone disease.
Eva
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Paul
On 03/04/2015 22:10, eva.pitter@... [] wrote:
I just can't believe that John Ashdown Hill seriously takes the bones in the urn as evidence that Edward
possibly suffered from a bone disease.
Eva
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Only Ricardian I have ever heard who thinks the bones in the urn have anything to do with the sons of Edward IV.
Paul
On 03/04/2015 22:10, eva.pitter@... [] wrote:
I just can't believe that John Ashdown Hill seriously takes the bones in the urn as evidence that Edward
possibly suffered from a bone disease.
Eva
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I suspect that it was more of an aside, something he wouldn't entirely rule out, rather than that John really believed it, but of course I can't really substantiate that.
Just to come to the defence of my fellow Essex resident.
Jess
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But, even the most hostile think those bones are nothing to do with it! I don't believe it. Occasionally JAH really does have a bad day. Wish he didn't because it devalues the good stuff he writes. H
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Only Ricardian I have ever heard who thinks the bones in the urn
have anything to do with the sons of Edward IV.
Paul
On 03/04/2015 22:10,
eva.pitter@... [] wrote:
I just can't believe that John Ashdown Hill seriously takes the
bones in the urn as evidence that Edward
possibly suffered from a bone disease.
Eva
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Tamara
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Paul
On 05/04/2015 04:55, poohlandeva wrote:
Thank you, Jess. I have not read her book for a while, so will be giving it clse scrutiny. I also thought that the only reference may be the bones possibly having disease of the jaws. Even if the bones in Westminster Abbey don't belong to the princes, and it is not truly known that they are them, the poor children that they were, how sad that they died so young, and had such a painful disease. In must have been agonizung.
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It makes you wonder that say, if Edward had succumbed to a sudden death through natural causes, it might have been thought wise to have a very quiet funeral, least said soonest mended kind of thing....maybe even buried with his father at Windsor,,,this would account for EW's silence on the matter and explain also why Richard in his very public promise not to harm any of her daughters etc., made no mention of the Princes.
This would also explain Dr Argentine's visits....I've wondered in the past would he have visited the prince just because he was, understandably, depressed...
By the way...Im sure that JAH was not implying that the bones in the urn are those of the two princes,,.according to his recent book The Dublin King...he states much the same as has often been said on here...it is not known whether they are male or female or from what historical period they datebut he does think they should be re-examined. Eileen
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However, I have never come across anything to suggest that Edward V actually had anything wrong with him ( other than Mancini's report, and that could refer to anything.) No-one said that he appeared unhealthy at Stony Stratford and no-one questioned his ability to make the journey, or was concerned that he was too sickly to be king. Nor do there seem to be reports of unusual concerns for his health at Ludlow, or records of medication or doctors called in.
This for me is yet another reason why I am unconvinced that the bones in the Tower are anything to do with the Princes. However, there have been several reference in fiction to Edwards jaw and teeth, so that is probably how PG got confused.
Nico
On Sunday, 5 April 2015, 14:36, "cherryripe.eileenb@... []" <> wrote:
Can you imagine what would have been said, then and now, if Edward V had died of natural causes while in the Tower....can you imagine Starkey! . Who would have ever believed it...
It makes you wonder that say, if Edward had succumbed to a sudden death through natural causes, it might have been thought wise to have a very quiet funeral, least said soonest mended kind of thing....maybe even buried with his father at Windsor,,,this would account for EW's silence on the matter and explain also why Richard in his very public promise not to harm any of her daughters etc., made no mention of the Princes.
This would also explain Dr Argentine's visits....I've wondered in the past would he have visited the prince just because he was, understandably, depressed...
By the way...Im sure that JAH was not implying that the bones in the urn are those of the two princes,,.according to his recent book The Dublin King...he states much the same as has often been said on here...it is not known whether they are male or female or from what historical period they datebut he does think they should be re-examined. Eileen
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