Richard's horoscope

I cast on a couple of sources and took a brief look at Richard's
natal chart last night. It was a surprising chart. I have
previously consistently found peoples' natal charts to be full of
indications of their most outstanding personality and character
traits. Richard's leaves me wondering if the portrait is really of
him.

One is at a disadvantage with Richard, because the one effort at
doing his chart that I have been able to learn about, did his
brothers as well and was probably well researched, but didn't have
his birth time. This forces one to guess at his rising sign and the
house placements of the planets based on what one knows, or thinks,
to be true of Richard.

The chart I heard about somehow "rectified" his birth time to between
8:00 and 8:30, giving him a Libra or Scorpio ascendant.

From the fast things I saw, I learned the following things. Richard
was ambitious, but not unscrupulous. He was destined for public
service. His oratorial powers were such that they have not come down
to us; he could have talked the proverbial hind end off of a horse.
If he had a scorpio ascendant he was intense, but indications that he
was a nervous man are completely missing. He was intelligent and
intellectual, very curious, and very mystical in his religious
outlook. No indication so far that there was such a strong neurotic
element to it. He was oversensitive to people around him, this being
an indication that literally appears everywhere, and he had a poor
self image. He is very likely to have deliberately made himself
hard for people to read. He was charming and probably got on well
with people around him. There are few indications of power or
serious ethical issues with this man; nothing, for example, like the
Saturn - Mars - Pluto t-square in my own chart with Libra sun,
Scorpio ascendant and Capricorn moon - and five planets in Virgo.
Noone who knows me well doesn't think I'm not a nervous, intense
worrier with control issues! A Scorpio would be blunt and direct in
his dealings with the world. With Saturn oppose Mars and Uranus
mixed up with these planets in an adverse way, he had an
unpredictable temper, and he was quite capable of killing Hastings in
a sudden rage. Also, when he got angry he was very capable of
saying things that made no sense at all and that, though he meant
every word of it at the time, he may not have actually believed.
Henry Tudor and all his followers are orrible adulterers would be an
example. He was very idealistic. For the most part he was
distinctly not inclined to push other people around, but he did need
to use care to differentiate between his rights and theirs. He also
was capable of getting up on a moral high horse. If he thought he
was right, he might try to force other people to live his way.

One must remember that two reasons why I'm not unscrupulous are I was
well raised, and I'm not in a social position to get away with much.
Richard on the other hand was outright egged on in certain things by
the people around him, particularly the lost contact with reality
statements about his enemies' sex lives.

I did notice that moving his ascendant, which is based on teh unknown
birth time, could make a serious difference. A twelfth house neptune
would explain the man in the portrait adn the man of the prayerbook,
and the man who mixed with people as sick as the people Richard mixed
with. First house neptune would shed some light. This or a seventh
house neptune would explain Clarence and Buckingham. A virgo
ascendant would explain the nervousness, the prissiness (the speech
to Edward V about the morality of the people who raised him was not
an angry outburst) and the clerical temperament.

Yours,
Dora

I forgot a couple of things; A man with scorpio rising would also be
likely to be blunt and direct in his strategies, as Richard's
propononents and detractors all admit he was. Someone with a serious
overemphasis in Libra who was not very highly evolved might be
patrician and intellectually arrogant. Richard had four or five
planets in Libra, with or without his ascendant. There are a number
of indications that Richard often got things he wanted in one way or
another by the strength of his passion, and his ability to convince
other people. Most people with bipolar disorder, for instance, are
at times able to work wonders by the strength of their will and their
ability to convince other people. Once when I had an attack of
mania, I was outright startled by the things I pulled off with
people. So were they. I am getting the idea I need to specify that
that does not mean he murdered two children to secure his throne and
then lied about it. He also was not stupid enough to have done such
a thing. Richard was intelligent and a thinker, not a man who
thought like a bull or a pig.

There also are alot of signs that Richard had an active, curious and
hands on style of governing, which he is known to have excercised in
Yorkshire. It wasn't just hobnobbing with fellow northern religious
neurotic snobs, and one could seriously suspect that.

Dora





--- In , "Dora Smith
<tiggernut24@y...>" <tiggernut24@y...> wrote:
> I cast on a couple of sources and took a brief look at Richard's
> natal chart last night. It was a surprising chart. I have
> previously consistently found peoples' natal charts to be full of
> indications of their most outstanding personality and character
> traits. Richard's leaves me wondering if the portrait is really of
> him.
>
> One is at a disadvantage with Richard, because the one effort at
> doing his chart that I have been able to learn about, did his
> brothers as well and was probably well researched, but didn't have
> his birth time. This forces one to guess at his rising sign and
the
> house placements of the planets based on what one knows, or thinks,
> to be true of Richard.
>
> The chart I heard about somehow "rectified" his birth time to
between
> 8:00 and 8:30, giving him a Libra or Scorpio ascendant.
>
> From the fast things I saw, I learned the following things.
Richard
> was ambitious, but not unscrupulous. He was destined for public
> service. His oratorial powers were such that they have not come
down
> to us; he could have talked the proverbial hind end off of a
horse.
> If he had a scorpio ascendant he was intense, but indications that
he
> was a nervous man are completely missing. He was intelligent and
> intellectual, very curious, and very mystical in his religious
> outlook. No indication so far that there was such a strong
neurotic
> element to it. He was oversensitive to people around him, this
being
> an indication that literally appears everywhere, and he had a poor
> self image. He is very likely to have deliberately made himself
> hard for people to read. He was charming and probably got on well
> with people around him. There are few indications of power or
> serious ethical issues with this man; nothing, for example, like
the
> Saturn - Mars - Pluto t-square in my own chart with Libra sun,
> Scorpio ascendant and Capricorn moon - and five planets in Virgo.
> Noone who knows me well doesn't think I'm not a nervous, intense
> worrier with control issues! A Scorpio would be blunt and direct
in
> his dealings with the world. With Saturn oppose Mars and Uranus
> mixed up with these planets in an adverse way, he had an
> unpredictable temper, and he was quite capable of killing Hastings
in
> a sudden rage. Also, when he got angry he was very capable of
> saying things that made no sense at all and that, though he meant
> every word of it at the time, he may not have actually believed.
> Henry Tudor and all his followers are orrible adulterers would be
an
> example. He was very idealistic. For the most part he was
> distinctly not inclined to push other people around, but he did
need
> to use care to differentiate between his rights and theirs. He
also
> was capable of getting up on a moral high horse. If he thought he
> was right, he might try to force other people to live his way.
>
> One must remember that two reasons why I'm not unscrupulous are I
was
> well raised, and I'm not in a social position to get away with
much.
> Richard on the other hand was outright egged on in certain things
by
> the people around him, particularly the lost contact with reality
> statements about his enemies' sex lives.
>
> I did notice that moving his ascendant, which is based on teh
unknown
> birth time, could make a serious difference. A twelfth house
neptune
> would explain the man in the portrait adn the man of the
prayerbook,
> and the man who mixed with people as sick as the people Richard
mixed
> with. First house neptune would shed some light. This or a seventh
> house neptune would explain Clarence and Buckingham. A virgo
> ascendant would explain the nervousness, the prissiness (the speech
> to Edward V about the morality of the people who raised him was not
> an angry outburst) and the clerical temperament.
>
> Yours,
> Dora

--- In , "Dora Smith
<tiggernut24@y...>" <tiggernut24@y...> wrote:
> I forgot a couple of things; A man with scorpio rising would also
be
> likely to be blunt and direct in his strategies, as Richard's
> propononents and detractors all admit he was. Someone with a
serious
> overemphasis in Libra who was not very highly evolved might be
> patrician and intellectually arrogant. Richard had four or five
> planets in Libra, with or without his ascendant.


Ouch! I once had my horoscope cast. I too have Scorpio rising and
nearly all planets in Libra (I think all that was left over were the
Sun in aquarius and mars and venus in conjuction in pisces). I
personally don't believe in astrology. Perhaps it's just as well...
Marie

There are a number
> of indications that Richard often got things he wanted in one way
or
> another by the strength of his passion, and his ability to convince
> other people. Most people with bipolar disorder, for instance, are
> at times able to work wonders by the strength of their will and
their
> ability to convince other people. Once when I had an attack of
> mania, I was outright startled by the things I pulled off with
> people. So were they. I am getting the idea I need to specify
that
> that does not mean he murdered two children to secure his throne
and
> then lied about it. He also was not stupid enough to have done
such
> a thing. Richard was intelligent and a thinker, not a man who
> thought like a bull or a pig.
>
> There also are alot of signs that Richard had an active, curious
and
> hands on style of governing, which he is known to have excercised
in
> Yorkshire. It wasn't just hobnobbing with fellow northern
religious
> neurotic snobs, and one could seriously suspect that.
>
> Dora
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "Dora Smith
> <tiggernut24@y...>" <tiggernut24@y...> wrote:
> > I cast on a couple of sources and took a brief look at Richard's
> > natal chart last night. It was a surprising chart. I have
> > previously consistently found peoples' natal charts to be full of
> > indications of their most outstanding personality and character
> > traits. Richard's leaves me wondering if the portrait is really
of
> > him.
> >
> > One is at a disadvantage with Richard, because the one effort at
> > doing his chart that I have been able to learn about, did his
> > brothers as well and was probably well researched, but didn't
have
> > his birth time. This forces one to guess at his rising sign and
> the
> > house placements of the planets based on what one knows, or
thinks,
> > to be true of Richard.
> >
> > The chart I heard about somehow "rectified" his birth time to
> between
> > 8:00 and 8:30, giving him a Libra or Scorpio ascendant.
> >
> > From the fast things I saw, I learned the following things.
> Richard
> > was ambitious, but not unscrupulous. He was destined for public
> > service. His oratorial powers were such that they have not come
> down
> > to us; he could have talked the proverbial hind end off of a
> horse.
> > If he had a scorpio ascendant he was intense, but indications
that
> he
> > was a nervous man are completely missing. He was intelligent and
> > intellectual, very curious, and very mystical in his religious
> > outlook. No indication so far that there was such a strong
> neurotic
> > element to it. He was oversensitive to people around him, this
> being
> > an indication that literally appears everywhere, and he had a
poor
> > self image. He is very likely to have deliberately made himself
> > hard for people to read. He was charming and probably got on
well
> > with people around him. There are few indications of power or
> > serious ethical issues with this man; nothing, for example, like
> the
> > Saturn - Mars - Pluto t-square in my own chart with Libra sun,
> > Scorpio ascendant and Capricorn moon - and five planets in
Virgo.
> > Noone who knows me well doesn't think I'm not a nervous, intense
> > worrier with control issues! A Scorpio would be blunt and direct
> in
> > his dealings with the world. With Saturn oppose Mars and Uranus
> > mixed up with these planets in an adverse way, he had an
> > unpredictable temper, and he was quite capable of killing
Hastings
> in
> > a sudden rage. Also, when he got angry he was very capable of
> > saying things that made no sense at all and that, though he meant
> > every word of it at the time, he may not have actually believed.
> > Henry Tudor and all his followers are orrible adulterers would be
> an
> > example. He was very idealistic. For the most part he was
> > distinctly not inclined to push other people around, but he did
> need
> > to use care to differentiate between his rights and theirs. He
> also
> > was capable of getting up on a moral high horse. If he thought
he
> > was right, he might try to force other people to live his way.
> >
> > One must remember that two reasons why I'm not unscrupulous are I
> was
> > well raised, and I'm not in a social position to get away with
> much.
> > Richard on the other hand was outright egged on in certain things
> by
> > the people around him, particularly the lost contact with reality
> > statements about his enemies' sex lives.
> >
> > I did notice that moving his ascendant, which is based on teh
> unknown
> > birth time, could make a serious difference. A twelfth house
> neptune
> > would explain the man in the portrait adn the man of the
> prayerbook,
> > and the man who mixed with people as sick as the people Richard
> mixed
> > with. First house neptune would shed some light. This or a
seventh
> > house neptune would explain Clarence and Buckingham. A virgo
> > ascendant would explain the nervousness, the prissiness (the
speech
> > to Edward V about the morality of the people who raised him was
not
> > an angry outburst) and the clerical temperament.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Dora